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12/4/2016 12:37:12 PMrencontre femme clermont ferrand Ban on Public Housing Smoking? Fair or unfair? 

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I'm sorry to say it but I actually think it's kind of fair, with any rental property there are certain rules and regulations put in place for safety reasons or for the overall benefit of the rental property so that happens to now be one of HUD new rules they are going to implement and me personally I think it's fair but I'm also not a smoker so I may be looking at it from a biased standpoint



A lot of people are outraged by it and on the opposing side others feel that people in public housing shouldn't have any complaints since there rent is either free or reduced.

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Well, I don't live in public housing. I own my house. Smoking is prohibited most every where now days. Government and city owned buildings do not allow smoking in or near their buildings. So, this ban against smoking in public housing doesn't surprise me. And, I am a smoker.

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I don't allow smoking on my rental properties.
smoking is a health meanace that is preventable.

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Quote from rubyrose2015:
Well, I don't live in public housing. I own my house. Smoking is prohibited most every where now days. Government and city owned buildings do not allow smoking in or near their buildings. So, this ban against smoking in public housing doesn't surprise me. And, I am a smoker.


Yeah. Pretty much what ruby said. It's government housing so it's their rule to make or not. The campaign to greatly reduce American smoking has been a long time coming and it's still gathering steam. The eventual health care bills make smoking cost prohibitive if the tenant is also on Medicaid.

I really miss being able to smoke in bars mostly. Alcohol and tobacco go together like bacon and eggs.



[Edited 12/4/2016 1:04:46 PM ]

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I don't know. I understand both sides, but it bothers me how intrusive the govt has become with lifestyle.

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I'm a smoker and I think it's ridiculous having to smoke a certain number of feet away from certain buildings. I'm outside so the smoke is dissipating into the air, it's not like I'm in an enclosed room. The minute amount of smoke that someone going into the building will inhale for that 2 seconds of time is not going to cause lung cancer.

I think non-smokers are such babies about this stuff. They're not even using common sense about it.

I've heard the rumblings of people talking about passing laws that you can't even smoke in your own house or your own car. Give me a break. Babies.



[Edited 12/4/2016 1:44:30 PM ]

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It blows me away how people are outraged by Public Housing Smoking
but not the carnage when it comes to the gun law's there.

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Quote from Mercedes_3:
It blows me away how people are outraged by Public Housing Smoking
but not the carnage when it comes to the gun law's there.


Mercedes, I think this is the smartest thing ever said in this forum. This world is mind boggling.

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Quote from fairymaiden:
Mercedes, I think this is the smartest thing ever said in this forum. This world is mind boggling.




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I can see it from both sides of the issue too....and there are better and more fair ways for both sides to accomplish the same goal...in a nutshell, you ad places for both types in each place and that solves that, no matter what the place is.





Currently its taxes on Tobacco and its products that is keeping the country from going totally under financially, remember when Obama raised the taxes on Tobacco products by 400 percent overnight, right after he got in and how many times individual states have done this in recent years to prevent a total collapse of their state budgets and reserves.???

That proves that.

When you look at it that way, you'd think smokers would get some kind of a medal of honor and some kind of positive recognition and special considerations, instead of being bastardized to live like a democratic thinking German in the times of Nazi Germany and having to sneak around to read a banned book or something.

This whole thing started back in the Clinton years and is still going on these days and it was started for two sole purposes, neither of which was a true concern for public health, whether your a smoker or not...period!!!!

First, it gave him and certain other politicians a vehicle to appear to being something good for the people....Which to the common variety sheep of a person will appear to be a great thing, all the while they could have really been doing something really great and more substantial, but didn't for whatever reasons and they usually aren't good ones.

I call this type of action: the slight of hand trick, and just like the magician, they use refocusing your attention as the vehicle to make the illusion work.

For example...As your President, I'm going to put my main focus on improving the economy, and getting in more good paying jobs....Well, for a few months it may seem like that is the case because they show what appears to be an effort towards this...but then for the next two years of their 4 year run, where the last year is solely campaigning for their party....they refocus on something like the smoking issue and talk a lot and make a few new laws....and it gives the appearance to the average sheep...that they really worked hard for our benefit....meanwhile the job and economy situation has remained the same...""" see how that works???"""

Next: who really benefits the most from all these laws and talk on the smokers???

If you guessed: Part of that One Percent????..............you'd be correct.

The Hospital Industry and Major Insurance Companies.........and their profits or the mount of those profits.

That's who originally put the screws into Clinton to get this ball rolling....and who benefits the most.

The act that your seeing??? Is just that, and act to appear to be caring about the public....and to appear to be doing something substantial all the while everything else around us crumbles.

If they really cared about our health....then why not put a ban on growth hormones and the antibiotics that they put in the livestock feed and etc....since it caused much of this obesity, heart decease and cancer jump in this country and this over dramatic growth in height and etc. in people in too short of a time compared to the normal growth charts of the past ????

Personally, I agree smoking in time will lead to health issues in most people.

But so does eating livestock tainted with growth hormones and whatever else and eating the typical non healthy American diet....and all the stress we have these days that were not this way in the past.

As far as second hand smoke...I agree if you don't smoke its bothersome, but the chances of getting a smokers disease from it is about equal to winning the lottery, no matter what "they" claim...


So no....I don't agree with you op. I see your point...but like you said, you might be biased.

The simpler and fair solution is a part of this complex divided for both....smokers here...none smokers there.

If I had to live in such a place, I'm more concerned about neighbors I can trust, who are respectful and reasonably quiet, and aren't into drugs and crime.



[Edited 12/4/2016 2:05:42 PM ]

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Quote from Mercedes_3:


Well...at least now, you people from other countries are getting a view of how the democratic party works in this country.

Go the long about way to try and solve a petty issue, resulting in people losing more and more freedoms...and that one percent getting all the richer, meanwhile enough of the sheep are fooled by these tactics.

All the while the truly major concerns that really matters , don't get addressed and the whole world eventually falls apart.

Thanks op....for making this possible.

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Quote from bumblebee7:
Well...at least now, you people from other countries are getting a view of how the democratic party works in this country.

Go the long about way to try and solve a petty issue, resulting in people losing more and more freedoms...and that one percent getting all the richer, meanwhile enough of the sheep are fooled by these tactics.

All the while the truly major concerns that really matters , don't get addressed and the whole world eventually falls apart.

Thanks op....for making this possible.


What do you mean now us people are getting a view of your Democratic politics?

We knew well before you people.

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Quote from monycanas:
I'm sorry to say it but I actually think it's kind of fair, with any rental property there are certain rules and regulations put in place for safety reasons or for the overall benefit of the rental property so that happens to now be one of HUD new rules they are going to implement and me personally I think it's fair but I'm also not a smoker so I may be looking at it from a biased standpoint



A lot of people are outraged by it and on the opposing side others feel that people in public housing shouldn't have any complaints since there rent is either free or reduced.



I personally think it's a good rule,I would take it a step further and not allow anyone on food stamps or programs like that not to be able to use the money for beer,cig or drugs...if caught they would loss there handouts and benefits we tax payer pay...but what do I know ,I am a complete a******...

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Fair. YOU do NOT have the right to poison MY air.

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The Government shouldn't bloody make money off cigarettes and
then tell people where they can smoke.

That's like putting a kid in a candy shop and saying
look but don't touch.

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Quote from Mercedes_3:
It blows me away how people are outraged by Public Housing Smoking
but not the carnage when it comes to the gun law's there.
that's because unlike your country the people here have the right to own weapons.

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they should be treated just like anyone else that's renting a place. it shouldn't have anything to do with them getting a reduction in rent.

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Quote from Zelda88:
I don't know. I understand both sides, but it bothers me how intrusive the govt has become with lifestyle.


It's intruding on those that are asking for help from the government. That help comes with some strings attached, and i don't see this requirement as unfair.

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as a former smoker (2packs a day),,i simply dont care. its banned everywhere else, cigarettes really dont bother me other than they are f**king nasty,,,,if i can quit, so can you.

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Quote from hotinfla:
that's because unlike your country the people here have the right to own weapons.


That's because I live in the best damn country in the world.

I can walk down the fecking street without dodging bullets.

Kids can attend fecking school without a frisk and fecking detectors.

Don't fecking preach to me you heartless blood thirsty b*tch!

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Quote from Mercedes_3:
That's because I live in the best damn country in the world.

I can walk down the fecking street without dodging bullets.

Kids can attend fecking school without a frisk and fecking detectors.

Don't fecking preach to me you heartless blood thirsty b*tch!




i was sitting in the woods yesterday with a 30-30 waiting on a deer to walk by, so i could kill it and feed my family for the next 6mo. i dont call that blood thirsty or heartless. i call it somebody trying to feed his family

for the record,,i didnt get one this year

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Anyone on welfare, Food Stamps, or public housing should be regularly drug tested before they even get the money.

Drugs is one of the main reasons people are not motivated to work and pay their own way through life!

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Quote from fishnthec:
Anyone on welfare, Food Stamps, or public housing should be regularly drug tested before they even get the money.

Drugs is one of the main reasons people are not motivated to work and pay their own way through life!


Discrimination and invasion of privacy guaranteed under the Constitution.

Don't lump all recipients of public assistance in with particular groups which you may have a personal opinion to dislike.

BTW -- Fish... Where do you work, or how long have you been employed? Ever bought a bottle of aspirin?

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Quote from amusicluvr:
Fair. YOU do NOT have the right to poison MY air.


I think it is fair also... But ref. your reasoning.. you better get rid of any motor vehicle you own.... close all the factories etc etc...


I think the 'owner' of the property who the people rent from have every legal right to decide if they allow what goes on in their property... a lot of Private rentals I have seen advertised are 'smoke free zones'. My younger son and his GF rent their place and are not allowed to smoke inside of the house... (they have a house inspection every 6 months)

My visitors are allowed to smoke ... OUTSIDE....

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Quote from fishnthec:
Anyone on welfare, Food Stamps, or public housing should be regularly drug tested before they even get the money.

Drugs is one of the main reasons people are not motivated to work and pay their own way through life!



Take it a step further,,anybody on the public dole period, from food stamps/housing to the cop on the beat, to the mayor, all city council members, tho the governors and the president,,,if you on the public dole you are RANDOMLY drug tested 4 times a year,,at your expense. on this massive scale the government can contract it out for 5 to 10bux a test. you get a kit in the mail, you pee in it and you send it off, along with a form filled out with all the Rx you are taking.

everything except Social Security,,that is owed money NOT a entitlement

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Quote from uber_goober:
Yeah. Pretty much what ruby said. It's government housing so it's their rule to make or not. The campaign to greatly reduce American smoking has been a long time coming and it's still gathering steam. The eventual health care bills make smoking cost prohibitive if the tenant is also on Medicaid.

I really miss being able to smoke in bars mostly. Alcohol and tobacco go together like bacon and eggs.


and our governor has already increased our cigarette tax by a dollar and now going up again another dollar the end of the month

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Quote from cupocheer:
Discrimination and invasion of privacy guaranteed under the Constitution.

Don't lump all recipients of public assistance in with particular groups which you may have a personal opinion to dislike.

BTW -- Fish... Where do you work, or how long have you been employed? Ever bought a bottle of aspirin?


I never lump anything.

I am actually retired, but, I do still work some.

All I'm sayin' is that drug addicts should not be given the same privileges as those who are not.

Providing free housing, food, and money to drug addicts is wrong and doesn't give them any incentive to go straight, play by all the rules, and provide for themselves.

That is unless you know something that I don't know about drug addicts.

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my mother died directly from smoking,an yes if something is mine,i have the say over it,so yep,too bad for smokers who are killin there selves..get a safe habit thats good for you......

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For instance for my state I live in a very expensive apartment and even I have to abide by ridiculous rental rules.


Like no fire grills or any BBQ Grills besides electric


Well the hell else am I supposed to put on my balcony? But anyway that is a rule lol


Also we have a pool but only can allow upto 4 of our guests in the pool


The only place in my complex that doesn't have stupid rules is the fitness center.


I really feel like with as much rent as I pay we should have a lot more freedom.


BUT this goes back to the original post anytime you rent PROPERTY regardless of market rate or reduced there will be rules and if you don't like those rules you are free to go.


So in that sense I say it's fair.

Now in a sense of how much privacy and rights should someone have even if on public assistant then I kind of fall in the middle

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wow.. You've been here 3 1/2 years and just have a little over a 1,000 posts?

Seems as if you would know how to rotate your pic and abide by DH rules

Tell, Medusa I said hello.

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@ Fish -- What do you know about drug addiction?

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hell the smokers dont bother me,,,no freaking booze allowed on the property. ill trade a drunk being a a** for 2 smokers any day,,,,,,, a rental is a rental. the owner makes the rules, dont like it mov

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Enough to know that having an occasional dooby is probably not healthy OR LEGAL, but occasionally, I'll have one anyWAY!

And that's about all I really know about drugs!

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Never graduated drug school, huh Fish??

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Never graduated drug school, huh Fish??


No, I really never was around people who actually did drugs.

I have known many that were like me, who occasionally smoked a dooby every now and then!

Mostly just other professionals and musicians and people who were focused on better things than drugs.

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Quote from cupocheer:
wow.. You've been here 3 1/2 years and just have a little over a 1,000 posts?

Seems as if you would know how to rotate your pic and abide by DH rules

Tell, Medusa I said hello.


"wow.. You've been here 3 1/2 years and just have a little over a 1,000 posts?"


Yeah like most people who have a life, own a business or work Im sorry I don't have countless hours to camp on DH and build up my internet reputation

"Seems as if you would know how to rotate your pic and abide by DH rules"

First you're monitoring my post history now you are concerned with my pictures that's so original it don't sound like the average everyday troll at all...


What's next you're not going to have your picture up... Opps too late

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Mony .. i think that last post you were referring to of CUP's was meant for another forum... i don't think she meant you

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Quote from _Cham:
Mony .. i think that last post you were referring to of CUP's was meant for another forum... i don't think she meant you



It seemed like it was directed at me since I have been here a little over 3 1/2 years, I have a little over 100 posts, I have a side ways photo and Medusa is on my friendlist and no names were mention also the comment was under my post.


I could be wrong

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She still looks like my 3rd wife everybody!

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I gave em up, but I try not to preach.. Bad habit, but I miss em sometimes... They probably have the right to tell you not to, but I'd probably go get me an air filter with a charcoal wrap, and smoke on...

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Quote from spiritwalker51:
I gave em up, but I try not to preach.. Bad habit


Agreed. Therefore I do not want anybody to preach me either. In my house, I will do as I please.



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12/4/2016 7:51:52 PMjeu de rencontre amoureuse Ban on Public Housing Smoking? Fair or unfair? 
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Oh no, you need to quit right now, Orchid....Those things will kill ya...

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at least you'll finally cry, for me.

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people can have same sex marriage, abortion and own an uzi, but they better not be smoken them darn cigarettes

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Quote from Mercedes It blows me away how people are outraged by Public Housing Smoking
but not the carnage when it comes to the gun law's there.



what the hell does a gun or any laws on guns have to do with smoking?


Why should me the tax payer have to supply a home to a person that has the money to buy cigarettes ? And what gives a person the right to put toxic smoke into another persons air. Why should I have to smell that ? A gun has never hurt anyone bad people with a gun hurt people bad people as in being the type person that would put smoke into the air that I have to breath . And have the nerve to ask me Joe the tax payer to pay for your house and most likely your health care that will be needed after years of smoking